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Jordi

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Since: May 08, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:16 am
Post subject: FreeBSD6.2 Stable without X
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Here is my problem:

If its too long you can read below --QUESTIONS-- to the end.

I have a small computer (Shuttle SK22G2), it was barebones and I built
this computer myself and decided not to buy any Windows OS with it and
stick to better quality software like FreeBSD instead.

The computer has an integrated onboard VIA graphics card 256MB on the
motherboard, the motherboard itself has chipset VIA K8M800CE, it can
have RAID 0 or 1 but at the moment I only need one hard disk (80GB SATA)
so RAID is not enabled (the second disk connexion is IDE).

The processor is low spec, the cheapest I found, AMD Sempron 2800 and
the CD-Rom/DVD drive brand NEC (Optiarch), works great. RAM is two 512MB
sticks brand TwinMos, total 1024MB.

I have tried to install FreeBSD6.2 Stable with CDs, and all works fine
right until I attempt to startx, then I get broken X message.

I tried to install two live FreeBSD CDs with installer
Frenzy(FreeBSD6.1) and TrueBSD(FreeBSD6.2), the same thing happens it
installs fine and all works great from the command prompt but as soon as
I do startx I get a broken X message, it says to check the var/logs X
which I do and see nothing strange (not that I understand much anyway).

I managed to make X start in Frenzy live CD (FreeBSD6.1) after two
months of trying, then after three days it stopped working saying broken
X, I reinstall and then X may work or not work, if it works again it
will crash in a few days, maybe straight away it will refuse to work again.

I decided to go for Linux then and managed to get a free Linux
evaluation SuseLinuxEnterpriseD10 DVD, I installed it and right at the
end of the installation it crashed, 2 minutes before finishing. I tried
Topologylinux based on Slackware, installed fine, X crashed.

I went for Ubuntu, live CD too, great, X starts and then the screen
freezes, I got a free Kubuntu CD, the installation process stops in the
middle.

I have tried Freesbie2.0 (FreeBSD6.2 liveCD), X does not work.

But I have found two CD's that do not break X, NewBie (NetBSD3.3) and
Olive live CD (OpenBSD3.Cool, now the problem is I can't install them on
the hard disk they have no installer.


My opinion was that the problem is with the graphics card, so I got an
ATI RADEON 128MB second hand (PCI-Express) and tried all those CD's
again,there has been no improvement, exactly the same problem with X.

Any indication of where the problem may be? I am between the graphics
card or something in the motherboard, like the RAID controller, but I
only have one hard disk so I don't see how.


The computer has no internet or modem, so I can't copy the full the
error message here but if really needed I will copy by hand.


--QUESTIONS--

It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
card so I know what hardware is failing.


Is there some other live CD (if possible BSD) with hard disk installer
that I have missed? It would be helpful to know so I can try it.

I tried NetBSD and OpenBSD3.8 iso (not official), but they come
barebones (FWM or somehing) with no packages and I can't download them
from the net so I would need a full distro live CD installable.

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Helmut Schneider

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:44 pm
Post subject: Re: FreeBSD6.2 Stable without X [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jordi wrote:

[Crashes]
> --QUESTIONS--
> It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
> FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
> card so I know what hardware is failing.

Try memtest86.

HTH, Helmut

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christopher

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:12 pm
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cheapest is as cheapest duz. intermittency generally implies
hardware. Doubly so graphics or sound hardware IMHO. Quadruply so
outside a windows environment with no antivirus software running.

On May 7, 6:16 pm, Jordi
wrote:
> Here is my problem:
>
> If its too long you can read below --QUESTIONS-- to the end.
>
> I have a small computer (Shuttle SK22G2), it was barebones and I built
> this computer myself and decided not to buy any Windows OS with it and
> stick to better quality software like FreeBSD instead.
>
> The computer has an integrated onboard VIA graphics card 256MB on the
> motherboard, the motherboard itself has chipset VIA K8M800CE, it can
> have RAID 0 or 1 but at the moment I only need one hard disk (80GB SATA)
> so RAID is not enabled (the second disk connexion is IDE).
>
> The processor is low spec, the cheapest I found, AMD Sempron 2800 and
> the CD-Rom/DVD drive brand NEC (Optiarch), works great. RAM is two 512MB
> sticks brand TwinMos, total 1024MB.
>
> I have tried to install FreeBSD6.2 Stable with CDs, and all works fine
> right until I attempt to startx, then I get broken X message.
>
> I tried to install two live FreeBSD CDs with installer
> Frenzy(FreeBSD6.1) and TrueBSD(FreeBSD6.2), the same thing happens it
> installs fine and all works great from the command prompt but as soon as
> I do startx I get a broken X message, it says to check the var/logs X
> which I do and see nothing strange (not that I understand much anyway).
>
> I managed to make X start in Frenzy live CD (FreeBSD6.1) after two
> months of trying, then after three days it stopped working saying broken
> X, I reinstall and then X may work or not work, if it works again it
> will crash in a few days, maybe straight away it will refuse to work again.
>
> I decided to go for Linux then and managed to get a free Linux
> evaluation SuseLinuxEnterpriseD10 DVD, I installed it and right at the
> end of the installation it crashed, 2 minutes before finishing. I tried
> Topologylinux based on Slackware, installed fine, X crashed.
>
> I went for Ubuntu, live CD too, great, X starts and then the screen
> freezes, I got a free Kubuntu CD, the installation process stops in the
> middle.
>
> I have tried Freesbie2.0 (FreeBSD6.2 liveCD), X does not work.
>
> But I have found two CD's that do not break X, NewBie (NetBSD3.3) and
> Olive live CD (OpenBSD3.Cool, now the problem is I can't install them on
> the hard disk they have no installer.
>
> My opinion was that the problem is with the graphics card, so I got an
> ATI RADEON 128MB second hand (PCI-Express) and tried all those CD's
> again,there has been no improvement, exactly the same problem with X.
>
> Any indication of where the problem may be? I am between the graphics
> card or something in the motherboard, like the RAID controller, but I
> only have one hard disk so I don't see how.
>
> The computer has no internet or modem, so I can't copy the full the
> error message here but if really needed I will copy by hand.
>
> --QUESTIONS--
>
> It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
> FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
> card so I know what hardware is failing.
>
> Is there some other live CD (if possible BSD) with hard disk installer
> that I have missed? It would be helpful to know so I can try it.
>
> I tried NetBSD and OpenBSD3.8 iso (not official), but they come
> barebones (FWM or somehing) with no packages and I can't download them
> from the net so I would need a full distro live CD installable.
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Jason Bourne

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:04 pm
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Jordi wrote:

>
> Here is my problem:
>
> If its too long you can read below --QUESTIONS-- to the end.
>
> I have a small computer (Shuttle SK22G2), it was barebones and I built
> this computer myself and decided not to buy any Windows OS with it and
> stick to better quality software like FreeBSD instead.
>
> The computer has an integrated onboard VIA graphics card 256MB on the
> motherboard, the motherboard itself has chipset VIA K8M800CE, it can
> have RAID 0 or 1 but at the moment I only need one hard disk (80GB SATA)
> so RAID is not enabled (the second disk connexion is IDE).

The driver may, or may not work. See here:

http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/via.4.html

I think you can install either the 64 bit or the 32 bit version of FreeBSD
here. Unless you have a need for more then 4GB ram you are probably better
off sticking with the 32 bit for now until you can get video to work. IIRC
the nvidia-driver isn't ready for 64 bit operation either. I'm a little
behind the times so that may very well have changed recently an me not
noticed.


>
> The processor is low spec, the cheapest I found, AMD Sempron 2800 and
> the CD-Rom/DVD drive brand NEC (Optiarch), works great. RAM is two 512MB
> sticks brand TwinMos, total 1024MB.
>
> I have tried to install FreeBSD6.2 Stable with CDs, and all works fine
> right until I attempt to startx, then I get broken X message.

Generally speaking you need to config X before you can use it. The end
result of configuration is an xorg.conf in /etc/X11. A lot of times the
basic config might not work correctly and some manual editing is required.
I haven't done it in so long I've forgotten. But I think something like
Xorg --configure . At any rate there is a section in the Handbook that
deals with this as well as the docs the link above points to for more
information.

>
> I tried to install two live FreeBSD CDs with installer
> Frenzy(FreeBSD6.1) and TrueBSD(FreeBSD6.2), the same thing happens it
> installs fine and all works great from the command prompt but as soon as
> I do startx I get a broken X message, it says to check the var/logs X
> which I do and see nothing strange (not that I understand much anyway).
>
> I managed to make X start in Frenzy live CD (FreeBSD6.1) after two
> months of trying, then after three days it stopped working saying broken
> X, I reinstall and then X may work or not work, if it works again it
> will crash in a few days, maybe straight away it will refuse to work
> again.
>
> I decided to go for Linux then and managed to get a free Linux
> evaluation SuseLinuxEnterpriseD10 DVD, I installed it and right at the
> end of the installation it crashed, 2 minutes before finishing. I tried
> Topologylinux based on Slackware, installed fine, X crashed.
>
> I went for Ubuntu, live CD too, great, X starts and then the screen
> freezes, I got a free Kubuntu CD, the installation process stops in the
> middle.

A lot of this sounds to me like the driver for your onboard IGP is broken.
In the link above it said something to the effect that it was still under
development for your chipset.

[snip]
>
> It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
> FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
> card so I know what hardware is failing.
>

Well, I don't know anything about how PCI-Express plays into this, and for
some reason I thought your motherboard has an AGP port. I also don't know
anything about ATI cards, as I only use Nvidia (because of the
nvidia-driver port support).

On my VIA KT400A based chipset X would not work normally. My problem was the
AGP port. I built a kernel that had device agp removed. Upon configuring
the xorg.conf for the nvidia driver I used option "NvAgp" "1" to tell X to
use the nvidia driver's built in agp support rather than FreeBSD. When set
up this way it works flawlessly. When not I only get lots of blinking
bar/colors trash on the display. Currently using a 6600GT type card.

Also keep in mind that if you go down the nvidia road the driver support was
split into two, one for older "legacy" and one for the more recent
products. This is reflected in the ports as you can find them already split
out for you.

Hope this helps a little. I just wanted to alert you that you may have two
things going on. One the IGP driver may be not useable yet on that
hardware. Google the lists for any reports of sucess from others. And
second, VIA AGP ports can be a problem.

-Jason
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Wilson

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:38 pm
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Jordi wrote:
>
> Here is my problem:
>
> If its too long you can read below --QUESTIONS-- to the end.
>
> I have a small computer (Shuttle SK22G2), it was barebones and I built
> this computer myself and decided not to buy any Windows OS with it and
> stick to better quality software like FreeBSD instead.
>
> The computer has an integrated onboard VIA graphics card 256MB on the
> motherboard, the motherboard itself has chipset VIA K8M800CE, it can
> have RAID 0 or 1 but at the moment I only need one hard disk (80GB SATA)
> so RAID is not enabled (the second disk connexion is IDE).
>
> The processor is low spec, the cheapest I found, AMD Sempron 2800 and
> the CD-Rom/DVD drive brand NEC (Optiarch), works great. RAM is two 512MB
> sticks brand TwinMos, total 1024MB.
>
> I have tried to install FreeBSD6.2 Stable with CDs, and all works fine
> right until I attempt to startx, then I get broken X message.
>
> I tried to install two live FreeBSD CDs with installer
> Frenzy(FreeBSD6.1) and TrueBSD(FreeBSD6.2), the same thing happens it
> installs fine and all works great from the command prompt but as soon as
> I do startx I get a broken X message, it says to check the var/logs X
> which I do and see nothing strange (not that I understand much anyway).
>
> I managed to make X start in Frenzy live CD (FreeBSD6.1) after two
> months of trying, then after three days it stopped working saying broken
> X, I reinstall and then X may work or not work, if it works again it
> will crash in a few days, maybe straight away it will refuse to work again.
>
> I decided to go for Linux then and managed to get a free Linux
> evaluation SuseLinuxEnterpriseD10 DVD, I installed it and right at the
> end of the installation it crashed, 2 minutes before finishing. I tried
> Topologylinux based on Slackware, installed fine, X crashed.
>
> I went for Ubuntu, live CD too, great, X starts and then the screen
> freezes, I got a free Kubuntu CD, the installation process stops in the
> middle.
>
> I have tried Freesbie2.0 (FreeBSD6.2 liveCD), X does not work.
>
> But I have found two CD's that do not break X, NewBie (NetBSD3.3) and
> Olive live CD (OpenBSD3.Cool, now the problem is I can't install them on
> the hard disk they have no installer.
>
>
> My opinion was that the problem is with the graphics card, so I got an
> ATI RADEON 128MB second hand (PCI-Express) and tried all those CD's
> again,there has been no improvement, exactly the same problem with X.
>
> Any indication of where the problem may be? I am between the graphics
> card or something in the motherboard, like the RAID controller, but I
> only have one hard disk so I don't see how.
>
>
> The computer has no internet or modem, so I can't copy the full the
> error message here but if really needed I will copy by hand.
>
>
> --QUESTIONS--
>
> It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
> FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
> card so I know what hardware is failing.
>
>
> Is there some other live CD (if possible BSD) with hard disk installer
> that I have missed? It would be helpful to know so I can try it.
>
> I tried NetBSD and OpenBSD3.8 iso (not official), but they come
> barebones (FWM or somehing) with no packages and I can't download them
> from the net so I would need a full distro live CD installable.
>
>
>
Try FressBIE (http://www.freesbie.org/) which is an FBSD Live CD. I
don't know if it has the hard drive installation you are looking for,
but it will definitely tell you if your X problem is hardware or a
configuration problem.

HTH,
Wilson
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Burkhard

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:48 pm
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Jordi wrote:

>
> I have a small computer (Shuttle SK22G2), it was barebones and I built
> this computer myself and decided not to buy any Windows OS with it and
> stick to better quality software like FreeBSD instead.
>

>
> --QUESTIONS--
>
> It would be very helpful if someone can point out if it is possible for
> FreeBSD6.2 stable X to fail by something else that is not the graphics
> card so I know what hardware is failing.

I have the same barebone running FreeBSD 6.2 stable, and I had to solve
two problems.

1) I did not get X running with the builtin video hardware, so I bought
a graphics adapter that is supported by FreeBSD.

2) Ethernet does not work, I have a patch for it. See
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=109477

Cheers
Burkhard
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