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Peter Brown

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Since: Oct 28, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:05 am
Post subject: Welcome input for mail client mail server internal network setup
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Hello!

OS: 4.10
Courier: (from ports) 0.45.4

I need to back up before asking the question.

Objective: We have about 20 in house PC users and 9 on the road salesreps.
Some have external company email addresses. We use VPN to enable the
salesreps and certain employees to connect remotely.

Most are using a MS version and will likely continue. I have introduced
linux flavours gradually so there is some mix. I would like any user sitting
at any machine (linux flavour or MS) to be able to access an internal email
account. (Salereps when they connect via VPN would also be able to access
it).

On the client side I am thinking a web based client is the best way to go.
Their internal username would be attached to our internal domain name e.g.
saturn.local (if needed ?) and everybody would be able to correspond with
each other. The problem with this is those internally who have external
email addresses have to open two interfaces to see mail. Ideally their
existing email clients (Outlook and Outlook Express) could be configured to
access their internal accounts as well.

[Would also be helpful if one could send a message to another from the
command line on an AIX machine (4.3.2) - I am thinking of a batch job that
runs and notifies certain people about things]

On the server side a mail server that could handle a web based client
interface at the least and Outlook or Outlook Express (or other clients e.g.
linux ones) at the most.



Where I am:
I am overwhelmed when I go to the FreeBSD ports page as to what I need.

Clients:
I like the look of SquirrelMail but a little unclear if it needs to be
installed on the client or will reside on the FreeBSD machine?

Welcome input.


Server:
I have been trying for a week now to get courier to work. Reason I chose
Courier is that I think (correct me if wrong) that I can use Outlook/Outlook
Express to access it. Everything starts up fine (except a courierfilter.pid
permission denied). I have apachessl installed and can acces the config
files using webadmin. I have connected using telnet to the relevant ports
and get good information back. However when I try to access my account on
the FreeBSD machine from Outlook I can't get past the password prompt box.

(userdb -show shows peterb and looking at the file I have systempw set up).

Looking at the courier mail lists there is very little about Outlook
problems and if you do mention them you are shot down for using it! Ha! Ha!

My Outlook settings are
email address: peterb (tried peterb.DeleteThis@saturn.local as courier settings have
this as local domain)
mail server: POP3
incoming mail: FreeBSD1 (name of mail server hosting machine)
outgoing mail: FreeBSD1
(no SSL connections are checked in the Advanced Tab)
Account name: peterb (account on the FreeBSD machine)
password: (account password on the FreeBSD machine)

I also see Qmail FreeBSD Toaster recommended.

Welcome input.

Many thanks,
Peter Brown

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Beor

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Since: Sep 30, 2004
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:00 pm
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In article , Peter Brown wrote:
>
> On the client side I am thinking a web based client is the best way to go.
> Their internal username would be attached to our internal domain name e.g.
> saturn.local (if needed ?) and everybody would be able to correspond with
> each other. The problem with this is those internally who have external
> email addresses have to open two interfaces to see mail. Ideally their
> existing email clients (Outlook and Outlook Express) could be configured to
> access their internal accounts as well.
>
>
What is the use of Outlook with web-based email?

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Peter Brown

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:00 pm
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Current users with external email addresses use Outlook, Outlook Express or
Mozilla email clients. If it is wholly a web based email client - how do
these users check their external emails? Will the web-based email client
work for both internal and external and so do away with the need for Outlook
and such like?

If they cannot they will have to check TWO email clients for mail - this is
prone to "I didn't check that email account today."

"Beor" wrote in message
> In article , Peter Brown wrote:
>>
>> On the client side I am thinking a web based client is the best way to
>> go.
>> Their internal username would be attached to our internal domain name
>> e.g.
>> saturn.local (if needed ?) and everybody would be able to correspond with
>> each other. The problem with this is those internally who have external
>> email addresses have to open two interfaces to see mail. Ideally their
>> existing email clients (Outlook and Outlook Express) could be configured
>> to
>> access their internal accounts as well.
>>
>>
> What is the use of Outlook with web-based email?
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Beor

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:00 pm
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In article , Peter Brown wrote:
> Current users with external email addresses use Outlook, Outlook Express or
> Mozilla email clients. If it is wholly a web based email client - how do
> these users check their external emails? Will the web-based email client
> work for both internal and external and so do away with the need for Outlook
> and such like?
>
> If they cannot they will have to check TWO email clients for mail - this is
> prone to "I didn't check that email account today."
>
Would your users mind having their external email fetched to the web-based
system using fetchmail?
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Peter Brown

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:00 pm
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Hi Beor,

I am not familiar with fetchmail but if that was something that ran without
their involvement e.g. cron job - I don't see an issue.

What I see beginning to have bearing is how extensive is the web based
client - e.g. scheduling - group calendaring etc. I came across TWIG which
might be a candidate for this.

Thank you,
Peter Brown

"Beor" wrote in message
> In article , Peter Brown wrote:
>> Current users with external email addresses use Outlook, Outlook Express
>> or
>> Mozilla email clients. If it is wholly a web based email client - how do
>> these users check their external emails? Will the web-based email client
>> work for both internal and external and so do away with the need for
>> Outlook
>> and such like?
>>
>> If they cannot they will have to check TWO email clients for mail - this
>> is
>> prone to "I didn't check that email account today."
>>
> Would your users mind having their external email fetched to the web-based
> system using fetchmail?
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Matthew Poole

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:24 pm
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In article , "Peter Brown" wrote:
>Hello!
*SNIP*
>[Would also be helpful if one could send a message to another from the
>command line on an AIX machine (4.3.2) - I am thinking of a batch job that
>runs and notifies certain people about things]
>
Investigate mail. If it's not installed on AIX by default (and I'm
pretty sure I used it on the last AIX box I played with), there will be
a port out there. It's a great command line MUA, that does exactly what
you're after. Even accepts files being cat'd in from the command line
to make up the body of the message.

*SNIP*
>Clients:
>I like the look of SquirrelMail but a little unclear if it needs to be
>installed on the client or will reside on the FreeBSD machine?
>
SquirrelMail is a webmail server. The client is any web browser. So
the answer is that SM resides on the BSD server.

>Welcome input.
>
>
>Server:
>I have been trying for a week now to get courier to work. Reason I chose
>Courier is that I think (correct me if wrong) that I can use Outlook/Outlook
>Express to access it. Everything starts up fine (except a courierfilter.pid
>permission denied). I have apachessl installed and can acces the config
>files using webadmin. I have connected using telnet to the relevant ports
>and get good information back. However when I try to access my account on
>the FreeBSD machine from Outlook I can't get past the password prompt box.
>
*SNIP*
I assume you're saying here that you're checking mail via telnet to
POP3? If that's the case, then the problem is definitely your Outlook
configuration. Which looks fine, from what you've entered here.
Also, what's wrong with IMAP? If nothing else, setting Outlook up to
treat the courier box as an IMAP server will show if the problem is with
client configuration or server configuration.
I've got courier running on debian here, and can access it via IMAP from
Outlook Express and from Pegasus Mail. Total no brainer to get it
working, once I sorted out the home Maildir and the small detail of
starting courier-authdaemon.

--
Matthew Poole Auckland, New Zealand
"Veni, vidi, velcro...
I came, I saw, I stuck around"

My real e-mail is mattATp00leDOTnet
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Torfinn Ingolfsen

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:33 pm
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Peter Brown wrote:

> Objective: We have about 20 in house PC users and 9 on the road salesreps.
> Some have external company email addresses. We use VPN to enable the
> salesreps and certain employees to connect remotely.

If I understand you correctly, all you want to do is set up an internal
mail server, and let people send and receive mail with their existing
mail clients?

Then you need two things:
1) a smtp server (sendmail, qmail, postfix, exim) for sending mail
2) a "mailbox" server (pop3 or imap) where people can receive their
mail.

> On the client side I am thinking a web based client is the best way to go.
> Their internal username would be attached to our internal domain name e.g.
> saturn.local (if needed ?) and everybody would be able to correspond with
> each other. The problem with this is those internally who have external
> email addresses have to open two interfaces to see mail. Ideally their
> existing email clients (Outlook and Outlook Express) could be configured to
> access their internal accounts as well.

Both Outlook and Outlook Express can access mail via pop3 and smtp.
Perhaps imap as well (I haven't tried).
If this is what you want, then I don't see why you need a webmail client.

> [Would also be helpful if one could send a message to another from the
> command line on an AIX machine (4.3.2) - I am thinking of a batch job that
> runs and notifies certain people about things]

AIX (like most unix-like operating systems can send mail from the
command line. This is done either with the sendmail command or with mail
/ mailx. If you have man pages installed on the AIX machine, use man to
find the correct parameters for each command.

> On the server side a mail server that could handle a web based client
> interface at the least and Outlook or Outlook Express (or other clients e.g.
> linux ones) at the most.

The mail toaster is the "all-in-one" solution.
Other systems are usually built like this:
- a smtp server for sending mail
- a pop3 / imap server for mailboxes and receiving mail
- a webmail client which supports pop3 and / or imap. This webmail
client needs to run on a web server (often Apache). Note: The web
server doesn't need to run on the mail server.
- optional: a way to administer the mail users, often with a web
interface.
- optional: a spam filtering solution

> Clients:
> I like the look of SquirrelMail but a little unclear if it needs to be
> installed on the client or will reside on the FreeBSD machine?

It needs to be installed on a web server, se requirements:
http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/SquirrelMailRequirements

Squirrelmail accesses mail over imap.

I have never set up the receive part of a mail server, nut I hear that
vpopmail is recommended if you use qmail.
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Torfinn Ingolfsen,
Norway
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Peter Brown

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:32 am
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Hello Matthew,

Would you mind explaining how you set up the home Maildir (if my setup is
incorrect).

My home on the FreeBSD1 is /home/peterb
I used maildirmake Maildir under $HOME. So it is /home/peter/Maildir

(In the Install Manual on www.courier-mta.org the section on "Test child
process termination" worked fine for me.)

(Also nothing wrong with IMAP - thought I would start with POP3 and with
that working - move to IMAP.)

Your comment "small detail of starting courier-authdaemon" caught my
attention as I did nothing with respect to this. Would you elaborate,
please?

ps ax | grep courier-authdaemon does not give anything.

When I enter ps ax | grep authdaemon I get

/usr/local/libexec/authlib/authdaemond.plain start (x6)

entering ps ax | grep courierd gives

/usr/local/libexec/courier/courierd

I would also be really grateful as to where (or names) of the courier log
files. Documentation says nothing, mailing list says nothing.

(I think the problem is my password)

Using account peterb as an example (local user) and password is "test" what
are the correct steps to set up userdb so accessing my account from Outlook
will authenticate?

Many thanks
Peter Brown

> I assume you're saying here that you're checking mail via telnet to
> POP3? If that's the case, then the problem is definitely your Outlook
> configuration. Which looks fine, from what you've entered here.
> Also, what's wrong with IMAP? If nothing else, setting Outlook up to
> treat the courier box as an IMAP server will show if the problem is with
> client configuration or server configuration.
> I've got courier running on debian here, and can access it via IMAP from
> Outlook Express and from Pegasus Mail. Total no brainer to get it
> working, once I sorted out the home Maildir and the small detail of
> starting courier-authdaemon.
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Peter Brown

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:13 pm
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Matthew - please ignore my last posting - I uninstalled and reinstalled
Courier - works fine with Outlook.

Many thanks
Peter Brown
"Matthew Poole" wrote in message

> In article , "Peter Brown"
> wrote:
>>Hello!
> *SNIP*
>>[Would also be helpful if one could send a message to another from the
>>command line on an AIX machine (4.3.2) - I am thinking of a batch job that
>>runs and notifies certain people about things]
>>
> Investigate mail. If it's not installed on AIX by default (and I'm
> pretty sure I used it on the last AIX box I played with), there will be
> a port out there. It's a great command line MUA, that does exactly what
> you're after. Even accepts files being cat'd in from the command line
> to make up the body of the message.
>
> *SNIP*
>>Clients:
>>I like the look of SquirrelMail but a little unclear if it needs to be
>>installed on the client or will reside on the FreeBSD machine?
>>
> SquirrelMail is a webmail server. The client is any web browser. So
> the answer is that SM resides on the BSD server.
>
>>Welcome input.
>>
>>
>>Server:
>>I have been trying for a week now to get courier to work. Reason I chose
>>Courier is that I think (correct me if wrong) that I can use
>>Outlook/Outlook
>>Express to access it. Everything starts up fine (except a
>>courierfilter.pid
>>permission denied). I have apachessl installed and can acces the config
>>files using webadmin. I have connected using telnet to the relevant ports
>>and get good information back. However when I try to access my account on
>>the FreeBSD machine from Outlook I can't get past the password prompt box.
>>
> *SNIP*
> I assume you're saying here that you're checking mail via telnet to
> POP3? If that's the case, then the problem is definitely your Outlook
> configuration. Which looks fine, from what you've entered here.
> Also, what's wrong with IMAP? If nothing else, setting Outlook up to
> treat the courier box as an IMAP server will show if the problem is with
> client configuration or server configuration.
> I've got courier running on debian here, and can access it via IMAP from
> Outlook Express and from Pegasus Mail. Total no brainer to get it
> working, once I sorted out the home Maildir and the small detail of
> starting courier-authdaemon.
>
> --
> Matthew Poole Auckland, New Zealand
> "Veni, vidi, velcro...
> I came, I saw, I stuck around"
>
> My real e-mail is mattATp00leDOTnet
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