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Range

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Since: Apr 22, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:26 pm
Post subject: e-news and mail server
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Hi:

I want to setup a e-news server,
What kind list server and mail server alignment is better?

Sendmail + Majordomo , Sendmail + Mailman, Postfix + Mailman,
Qmail +...?

and,

If any kind mail server can do this kind action?

userA -> mail server1 --> mail server2 -> user1,user2,user3..

sendto: {list}@ms2.domain.com -> ms1 -> ms2 -> "deploy"

user1.TakeThisOut@ms2.domain.com , user2.TakeThisOut@ms2.domain.com ....etc

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:21 am
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On 2006-04-22, Range wrote:
> I want to setup a e-news server,

A what?


> What kind list server and mail server alignment is better?
>
> Sendmail + Majordomo , Sendmail + Mailman, Postfix + Mailman,
> Qmail +...?

Better? Given a good MTA, it depends on what your own skills are,
mostly. I don't like qmail, and I don't think it fits the bill. If I
really had to, it could be done with sendmail, but given a choice I'd
use postfix or exim, as I already know fairly well how to the latter.

I haven't so far bothered with list managers, so I can't offer advice
there. I do know, however, that at least exim and very probably postfix
have all sorts of hooks to play with, so it shouldn't really be a
problem to integrate them.

On the other hand, the real problems with mailinglists isn't the
managing software, but the input from the people using them, especially
unsubscribing, dealing with spam, bounces, mis-reinvented and faulty
vacation generators, and so on.

For that I'd choose an MTA that I know how to configure, and in my case
that would be exim, altough I'm told postfix would be just about as
usable. Sendmail can do it all and probably more, it just has one of
the most arcane configuration syntaxes found on unix systems. There
are people that can make it dance any way they want to, but I wouldn't
recommend learning that skill, using a different MTA is easier.


> If any kind mail server can do this kind action?
>
> userA -> mail server1 --> mail server2 -> user1,user2,user3..

Most all can. If they can't, they're not usable MTAs.


> sendto: {list}@ms2.domain.com -> ms1 -> ms2 -> "deploy"

Uhm. You can, but why make it harder for yourself than it needs to be?

Most of your questions pertain to mail routing, and for that you should
see you understand the difference between a domain, a host, and an MX.
You can do an awful lot with those generic tools, but how you organize
it all efficiently depends on, well, a lot of things, including how you
want to do it. Usually, simplicity is to be preferred.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:38 pm
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On 29 Apr 2006 06:21:09 GMT, jpd
wrote:

>Begin
>On 2006-04-22, Range wrote:
>> I want to setup a e-news server,
>
>A what?

maybe I should call it e-paper service?

I want to choice a more perference collocation with MTA & List server

>
>> sendto: {list}@ms2.domain.com -> ms1 -> ms2 -> "deploy"
>
>Uhm. You can, but why make it harder for yourself than it needs to be?
>

I hope can use less time and bandwidth to
send the e-paper to all subscribers.

I just think if I can send one mail to destination mail server then
deploy there,that i will economy a lot resource.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:07 am
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On 2006-04-29, range wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2006 06:21:09 GMT, jpd
> wrote:
>>Begin
>>On 2006-04-22, Range wrote:
>>> I want to setup a e-news server,
>>
>>A what?
>
> maybe I should call it e-paper service?
>
> I want to choice a more perference collocation with MTA & List server

I think the term ``newsletter'' would fit the bill, from what limited
information you've given.

A note though: Due to excessive spam and so on, running a mail
exploder like that means that you will have to be extremely careful
and scrupulous on how you handle the list of subscribers. Fail even in
minor ways and you quickly are labeled ``spammer'', end up on various
blacklists, get shunned everywhere except on bulletproof spam friendly
hosters that in turn are blacklisted on the router level at many sites
in the rest of the internet[1], and so on.

Do never let marketing or sales run rampant on such a list. Don't
outsource it, but care for it like both the trade secret and the privacy
sensitive information that it is. And be prepared to handle abuse
reports, including abusive ones.


> I hope can use less time and bandwidth to
> send the e-paper to all subscribers.

Do look up the features SMTP has for saving bandwidth. Most of the time,
you can just let your MTA do its thing. You still need to configure it
properly, of course.


> I just think if I can send one mail to destination mail server then
> deploy there,that i will economy a lot resource.

Not necessairily, as you're effectively putting a box in the chain that
merely passes the mail+entire receivers list through to another, and
by the naming you proposed, putting in some unnecesairy configuration
trickery. The simpler option is usually to send the mail directly to the
box that will ``explode'' the list.

As I said, simplicity is usually to be preferred, and that looks to be
the case here as well. Unless, of course, you can demonstrate some clear
need to increase complexity. But so far your rather vague description
did not demonstrate that to me.

Your real problems are likely not in the setup, but in not spamming.


[1] Many such sites run private blacklists that are much, much more
restrictive than even the harshest publicised ones, and getting
off of them once listed is much harder still, as you'll need to
find them when you do not even know where they exist, then try
and convince the maintainers they should take you off again.

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