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Since: Aug 21, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:11 am
Post subject: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11
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Hi folks,
well, I have just installed freebsd 4.11 . Then, I read through the
freebsd handbook.
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-findin...pplicat
the siete above explains how to search for ports. So, I went to
/usr/ports and did make search lsof
I get a notcie that says something of generating INDEX, please
wait.....
And I waited, and waited..........an well. After 3 cups of coffee I
had 2 problems. First, I was toxicated with coffee *G* and my little
bsd still said:...Pleas wait.
running top showed me that the shell running make was waiting
................but waiting for what?
Well, I then kille the process and tried again, without any luck.
Can anyone help me with this issue? I would like to know, why this
does not work or what I maybe did wrong. |
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Since: May 03, 2006
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:14 am
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:11:22 +0200
Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> well, I have just installed freebsd 4.11 . Then, I read through the
> freebsd handbook.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-findin...pplicat
>
> the siete above explains how to search for ports. So, I went to
> /usr/ports and did make search lsof
>
> I get a notcie that says something of generating INDEX, please
> wait.....
>
> And I waited, and waited..........an well. After 3 cups of coffee I
> had 2 problems. First, I was toxicated with coffee *G* and my little
> bsd still said:...Pleas wait.
>
> running top showed me that the shell running make was waiting
> ...............but waiting for what?
This takes a while...
> Well, I then kille the process and tried again, without any luck.
>
> Can anyone help me with this issue? I would like to know, why this
> does not work or what I maybe did wrong.
You can get the latest pre-generated version of INDEX by
# make fetchindex
in /usr/ports
Gruß Stefan
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Since: Mar 22, 2004
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:59 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-21, Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> well, I have just installed freebsd 4.11 . Then, I read through the
> freebsd handbook.
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-findin...pplicat
>
> the siete above explains how to search for ports. So, I went to
> /usr/ports and did make search lsof
>
> I get a notcie that says something of generating INDEX, please
> wait.....
>
> And I waited, and waited..........an well. After 3 cups of coffee I
> had 2 problems. First, I was toxicated with coffee *G* and my little
> bsd still said:...Pleas wait.
>
> running top showed me that the shell running make was waiting
> ...............but waiting for what?
>
> Well, I then kille the process and tried again, without any luck.
>
> Can anyone help me with this issue? I would like to know, why this
> does not work or what I maybe did wrong.
Building your own index takes a long time (hours), and you usually
don't need to do it. Update your ports tree with cvsup and then run
'make fetchindex'.
Kris >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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Since: Aug 21, 2005
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:06 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Kris Kennaway schrieb:
> On 2005-08-21, Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>well, I have just installed freebsd 4.11 . Then, I read through the
>>freebsd handbook.
>>
>>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-finding-applications.html
>>
>>the siete above explains how to search for ports. So, I went to
>>/usr/ports and did make search lsof
>>
>>I get a notcie that says something of generating INDEX, please
>>wait.....
>>
>>And I waited, and waited..........an well. After 3 cups of coffee I
>>had 2 problems. First, I was toxicated with coffee *G* and my little
>>bsd still said:...Pleas wait.
>>
>>running top showed me that the shell running make was waiting
>>...............but waiting for what?
>>
>>Well, I then kille the process and tried again, without any luck.
>>
>>Can anyone help me with this issue? I would like to know, why this
>>does not work or what I maybe did wrong.
>
>
> Building your own index takes a long time (hours), and you usually
> don't need to do it. Update your ports tree with cvsup and then run
> 'make fetchindex'.
>
> Kris
O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
Marcel >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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Since: Jun 20, 2005
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:06 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-21, Marcel Lautenbach scribbled these
curious markings:
> O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
> system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
The system has to recurse into every port's directory and
perform multiple operations on each port (that's somewhere on
the order of ~13000 * $number_of_operations). And none of those
suboperations is atomic either, calling subprograms and
subprograms thereof and so forth...
Best Regards,
Christopher Nehren
--
I abhor a system designed for the "user", if that word is a coded
pejorative meaning "stupid and unsophisticated". -- Ken Thompson
If you ask questions of idiots, you get "Joel on Software".
Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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Since: Sep 05, 2003
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:06 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
> O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
> system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
>
> Marcel
It runs recursive make to descend in the ports tree and extract the necessary
information from the Makefiles. This means forking a huge quantity of make,
etc. In the past there has been a python script doing the same job ten
times faster, but it has been retired by its author (and python is not
especially fast).
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Michel TALON >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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Since: Mar 22, 2004
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:06 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-21, Michel Talon wrote:
> Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
>> O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
>> system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
>>
>> Marcel
>
> It runs recursive make to descend in the ports tree and extract the necessary
> information from the Makefiles. This means forking a huge quantity of make,
> etc. In the past there has been a python script doing the same job ten
> times faster, but it has been retired by its author (and python is not
> especially fast).
Actually that did something slightly different (incremental index
builds), and now there is a perl port that tries to do the same thing.
I've not evaluated it yet to see whether it avoids all of the pitfalls
in this problem.
Kris >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:04 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Michel Talon schrieb:
> Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
>
>>O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
>>system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
>>
>>Marcel
>
>
> It runs recursive make to descend in the ports tree and extract the necessary
> information from the Makefiles. This means forking a huge quantity of make,
> etc. In the past there has been a python script doing the same job ten
> times faster, but it has been retired by its author (and python is not
> especially fast).
>
>
Michael, Christopher,
thanks for your deep insight of this procedure. This gives me some
further understanding, at least 
So, I think it is faster to do as cvs and then fetchindex, isn't it? >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:36 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-21, Marcel Lautenbach scribbled these
curious markings:
> Michael, Christopher,
>
> thanks for your deep insight of this procedure. This gives me some
> further understanding, at least
Of course. Glad to help.
> So, I think it is faster to do as cvs and then fetchindex, isn't it?
Faster, certainly. I'm not sure if it's as up-to-date as the
`make index` strategy, as I've only used fetchindex once or
twice. A correction would be appreciated.
Best Regards,
Christopher Nehren
--
I abhor a system designed for the "user", if that word is a coded
pejorative meaning "stupid and unsophisticated". -- Ken Thompson
If you ask questions of idiots, you get "Joel on Software".
Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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Since: Sep 11, 2004
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:25 am
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article ,
Michel Talon wrote:
>Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
>> O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
>> system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
>>
>> Marcel
>
>It runs recursive make to descend in the ports tree and extract the necessary
>information from the Makefiles. This means forking a huge quantity of make,
>etc. In the past there has been a python script doing the same job ten
>times faster, but it has been retired by its author (and python is not
>especially fast).
You can possibly speed things up by adding this line to
your /etc/make.conf file
INDEX_JOBS=8
Default in the Makefile in the /usr/ports directory is INDEX_JOBS=2
Bill
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:26 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-22, Bill Vermillion wrote:
> In article ,
> Michel Talon wrote:
>>Marcel Lautenbach wrote:
>>> O.K.: Supid question: Why does ist take so long? I mean, what is the
>>> system exactly doing that it can take hours to generate an index?
>>>
>>> Marcel
>>
>>It runs recursive make to descend in the ports tree and extract the necessary
>>information from the Makefiles. This means forking a huge quantity of make,
>>etc. In the past there has been a python script doing the same job ten
>>times faster, but it has been retired by its author (and python is not
>>especially fast).
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> You can possibly speed things up by adding this line to
> your /etc/make.conf file
>
> INDEX_JOBS=8
>
> Default in the Makefile in the /usr/ports directory is INDEX_JOBS=2
This is only likely to be of significant benefit if you have your
ports tree on an extremely fast filesystem (e.g. fast SCSI disks, or
the ports tree already in RAM), and an SMP machine with 4 or more
CPUs. The main bottleneck in building INDEX is filesystem access.
Kris >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:27 pm
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-21, Christopher Nehren wrote:
> On 2005-08-21, Marcel Lautenbach scribbled these
> curious markings:
>> Michael, Christopher,
>>
>> thanks for your deep insight of this procedure. This gives me some
>> further understanding, at least
>
> Of course. Glad to help.
>
>> So, I think it is faster to do as cvs and then fetchindex, isn't it?
>
> Faster, certainly. I'm not sure if it's as up-to-date as the
> `make index` strategy, as I've only used fetchindex once or
> twice. A correction would be appreciated.
It's never more than an hour out of sync with the CVS tree, unless
INDEX is unbuildable, in which case you probably can't build it any
way you try anyway.
Kris >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:28 am
Post subject: Re: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2005-08-22, Kris Kennaway scribbled these
curious markings:
> On 2005-08-21, Christopher Nehren wrote:
>> A correction would be appreciated.
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> It's never more than an hour out of sync with the CVS tree, unless
> INDEX is unbuildable, in which case you probably can't build it any
> way you try anyway.
Aha, thanks.
Best Regards,
Christopher Nehren
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I abhor a system designed for the "user", if that word is a coded
pejorative meaning "stupid and unsophisticated". -- Ken Thompson
If you ask questions of idiots, you get "Joel on Software".
Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. >> Stay informed about: searchin for ports crashes - freebsd 4.11 |
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