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Since: Dec 28, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:47 pm
Post subject: No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful. Archived from groups: comp>os>linux>networking, others (more info?)
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This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :
Linux - Stop holding our kids back
This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
recently received email.
"...observed one of my students with a group of other children
gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.
This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
to those receiving them..."
Karen xxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx Middle School
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:18 pm
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On 12/28/2008 05:47 PM, Penang sent:
> This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
> so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
>
> Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :
>
> Linux - Stop holding our kids back
>
> This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
> recently received email.
>
> "...observed one of my students with a group of other children
> gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
> giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
> ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
> the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
> to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
> strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
> your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
> am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
> spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
> adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
> allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
> will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
> others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
> make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
> attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
> putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.
>
> This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
> putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
> these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
> would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
> of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
> to those receiving them..."
>
> Karen xxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxx Middle School
> AISD
This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
since.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:15 pm
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Since: Dec 29, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:23 am
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1PW wrote:
> On 12/28/2008 05:47 PM, Penang sent:
>> This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
>> so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
>> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
>>
>> Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :
>>
>> Linux - Stop holding our kids back
>>
>> This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
>> recently received email.
>>
>> "...observed one of my students with a group of other children
>> gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
>> giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
>> ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
>> the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
>> to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
>> strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
>> your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
>> am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
>> spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
>> adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
>> allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
>> will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
>> others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
>> make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
>> attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
>> putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.
>>
>> This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
>> putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
>> these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
>> would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
>> of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
>> to those receiving them..."
>>
>> Karen xxxxxxxxx
>> xxxxxxxxx Middle School
>> AISD
> This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
> Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
> since.
You get what you pay for when you let teachers unionize. You can't fire the
incompetents or the idiots.
--
When a hospital is said to be on the cutting edge of new treatments that
means it is following all the latest fads.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4069
http://www.giwersworld.org/environment/aehb.phtml a2 >> Stay informed about: No software is free and spreading that misconception is ha.. |
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Since: Mar 22, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:23 am
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Matt Giwer writes:
> 1PW wrote:
> > On 12/28/2008 05:47 PM, Penang sent:
> >> This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
> >> so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
> >> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
> >>
> >> Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :
> >>
> >> Linux - Stop holding our kids back
> >>
> >> This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
> >> recently received email.
> >>
> >> "...observed one of my students with a group of other children
> >> gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
> >> giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
> >> ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
> >> the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
> >> to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
> >> strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
> >> your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
> >> am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
> >> spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
> >> adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
> >> allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
> >> will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
> >> others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
> >> make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
> >> attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
> >> putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.
> >>
> >> This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
> >> putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
> >> these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
> >> would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
> >> of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
> >> to those receiving them..."
> >>
> >> Karen xxxxxxxxx
> >> xxxxxxxxx Middle School
> >> AISD
>
> > This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
> > Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
> > since.
>
> You get what you pay for when you let teachers unionize. You can't fire the
> incompetents or the idiots.
My experience is that spreading FUD about any OS other than
Microsoft's starts at the top of organizations, not individual
workers. It would be interesting to hear what the Austin School
District's IT people are telling the teachers.
-- Patrick >> Stay informed about: No software is free and spreading that misconception is ha.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:35 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:25 am
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tad wrote:
>On Dec 28, 9:18 pm, 1PW wrote:
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>>
>> This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
>> Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
>> since.
>>
>
>Sorry I'm lazy. Do you have a link?
http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/
The original post (as quoted) is the entry for Dec 8, but do check out
the followup from Dec 12.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:33 am
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On 12/29/2008 01:35 AM, tad sent:
> On Dec 28, 9:18 pm, 1PW wrote:
>
>> This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
>> Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
>> since.
>>
>
> Sorry I'm lazy. Do you have a link?
<http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:43 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:30 am
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On Dec 29, 12:23 am, Matt Giwer wrote:
> 1PW wrote:
> > On 12/28/2008 05:47 PM, Penang sent:
> >> This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
> >> so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
> >>http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-bac....
>
> >> Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :
>
> >> Linux - Stop holding our kids back
>
> >> This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
> >> recently received email.
>
> >> "...observed one of my students with a group of other children
> >> gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
> >> giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
> >> ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
> >> the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
> >> to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
> >> strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
> >> your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
> >> am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
> >> spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
> >> adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
> >> allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
> >> will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
> >> others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
> >> make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
> >> attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
> >> putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.
>
> >> This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
> >> putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
> >> these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
> >> would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
> >> of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
> >> to those receiving them..."
>
> >> Karen xxxxxxxxx
> >> xxxxxxxxx Middle School
> >> AISD
> > This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
> > Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
> > since.
>
> You get what you pay for when you let teachers unionize--competent, dedicated teachers who make a decent living and thus don't resent their students.
There, fixed that for you. You're welcome. >> Stay informed about: No software is free and spreading that misconception is ha.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:02 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:25 am
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:23:09 -0500, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> 1PW wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2008 05:47 PM, Penang sent:
>>>> This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
>>>> so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
>>>> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
>>> This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
>>> Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
>>> since.
>> You get what you pay for when you let teachers unionize. You can't
>> fire the incompetents or the idiots.
>
> Nobody is an idiot because they don't know what Linux is. If that were
> true, then many Linux people would also be considered idiots because
> they don't know anything about plumbing or battle aircraft construction.
>
People often mistake ignorance for stupidity - the teacher was ignorant
about Linux, as are many people, and that is easily cured.
However, her apparent (based on what I've read on the net) knee-jerk
hysterical reaction to the kid demonstrating Linux is not idiocy, nor
ignorance - but it is *not* the sort of attitude one wants or expects
from a teacher. As far as I have read, it never occurred to her to
actually *talk* to the kid, or ask him what he was doing. It certainly
never occurred to her to learn a little about the subject at hand before
firing off emails threatening legal action.
>
> So let's cut down a bit on that name-calling shall we?
>
I agree on that - lets try to identify the problems, not just find
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:03 pm
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"1PW" wrote in message
> On 12/29/2008 01:35 AM, tad sent:
>> On Dec 28, 9:18 pm, 1PW wrote:
>>
>>> This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
>>> Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
>>> since.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry I'm lazy. Do you have a link?
>
> <http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html>
>
How about an actual news story? Not a FOAF story from a blog. >> Stay informed about: No software is free and spreading that misconception is ha.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:03 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:03 pm
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